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>>By planet ear (Monday, 11 Sep 2006 21:25)
May I also suggest Biam you remove any sharp objects from the vicinity of your computer before reading any of my posts as I don't want to be held responsible for dry-cleaning bills or such-like. Blood is an expensive stain to remove I understand.
>>By planet ear (Monday, 11 Sep 2006 21:32)
hahah PE my saying that officers have their head in their clouds and didnt have a clue what their men thought or felt is the impression that most of them left upon me, most were incredibly intelligent but had not an ounce of common sense and the brains of a chocolate teapot as far as we were concerned, not ex-rankers though whom on the whole (with exceptions) were decent blokes. Tell a lie in 17 years i had three cracking sandhurst trained troop commanders, and one good OC the rest were oxygen theives
Nowhere do I beleive have i said i KNOW what it's like to be an officer..as for a civvy doing studies for the great puzzle palace in whitehall nope I dont claim to have known what your job truly was especially as you havent said, but hanging around wooperts and wodneys i can kinda guess what might have rubbed off on you
er NBC, drill, skill at arms, first aid ...no can't remember critical thinking, as for talking patronising crap..patronising yes crap well how do you know? if you are talking about my opinions well then that is what your opinion is of mine, if you are talking about my experiences then you are talking out of your rusty sherrifs badge mate 'cos you havent got a clue what my experiences are regardlesss of what you think
and you have lost me about the sharp objects...do computers bleed real blood then ...jeez i thought someone with a physics degree such as yourself would no that they don't you know... in fact if memory serves me correct any sort of fluids is very bad for computers indeed, something to do with ohms and volts and wattage and conductivity methinks...thought you would have known that..
>>By BushisaManiac (Monday, 11 Sep 2006 21:54)
Planet, you're doing it again. You're gonna be as hated here as you are on a certain other board...
>>By Flagg (Monday, 11 Sep 2006 21:58)
oh by the way one tended not to talk very very loudly unless on the drill square, or when bollocking the guys under ones command, tends to get you noticed by men with a louder voice and more rank on em' whom would then sh*t upon one for being gobby.
>>By BushisaManiac (Monday, 11 Sep 2006 21:59)
hated by whom flagg, he's entitled to his opinions just as you and me are, whether I or you value his opinions and vice versa is another matter.
>>By BushisaManiac (Monday, 11 Sep 2006 22:01)
I think it's something human to think someone else's job is not as important as ourselves and that ''they" are not doing anything intelligent or making a contribution to..whatever. It makes ourselves feel more important probably. If you don't know what some department in your office is doing but you see them at the coffee machine twice.. you think they have the easiest job there is. Soldiers do work outs and a bit of shooting on a range - that's how most 'boys' would like to spend their days but THEY call it a job. Our dentist looks into our mouths for 2 seconds and stirrs a bit with some iron stick and he charges us more than we spend on groceries in a week.
Actually that last one might be true.
>>By Lynn (Monday, 11 Sep 2006 22:47)
yes that is definitely true of dentists... blood sucking leeches more like :-)
as for looking down on anyone, well i'm not that high and mighty to say that someone is not as important as me or gullible because of what they do for a living... i'm not important at all there are far more intelligent people than me on this lump of rock, i wouldn't p*ss on most of them if they were on fire, but hey thats just the patronising, condescending in-human sod that i am though ;-)
>>By BushisaManiac (Monday, 11 Sep 2006 22:56)
BiaM, I have a request to ask of you:
Would you please stop typing 'whom' where you mean 'who'? It's really starting to get to me.
Based on an earlier experience, I'd say Planet Ear can be so persistent that people seem to forget about respecting his opinion.
>>By Flagg (Monday, 11 Sep 2006 23:17)
why Flagg is it not in the dictionary? it is just a 'formal' way of saying who
>>By BushisaManiac (Monday, 11 Sep 2006 23:29)
Sorry Flagg I've just given up being polite for a day :)
>>By planet ear (Monday, 11 Sep 2006 23:46)
No it's not, who is for object, whom is for subject. It's the same as the difference between I and me. For example, '...whom I had talked to...' would be correct, not '...who I had talked to...' and '...who talked to me...' would be correct, not '...whom talked to me...'
>>By Flagg (Tuesday, 12 Sep 2006 10:25)
from the cambridge university Press
WHOM
pronoun FORMAL
used instead of 'who' as the object of a verb or preposition:
I met a man with whom I used to work.
He took out a photo of his son, whom he adores.
There were 500 passengers, of whom 121 drowned.
To whom do you wish to speak?
so which one does
'Hated by Whom' come under?
I am sorry if this p*sses you off but its the way that i speak (not just type) and i'm 41 with a crackingly good job so it hasn't exactly hindered me in the past, i will try try to not write it it in future but if i forget every now and then thats just a wee bit tough old boy
>>By BushisaManiac (Tuesday, 12 Sep 2006 17:20)
We should have a great fewer disputes in the world
if words were taken for what they are,
the signs of our ideas only,
and not for things themselves.
~John Locke
;-)
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 12 Sep 2006 17:34)
Hated by whom is right, but you said it at least twice when you meant who.
Hah, I never said it might have hindered you in the past, I'm perfectly well aware that it's not something employers give much thought to. But yes, it annoys me. I mean, it's one thing saying who when you mean whom, everyone does that all the time, but the other way round? It just sounds like you're trying to sound intelligent.
But thanks for your cooperation, and for not taking offense.
>>By Flagg (Tuesday, 12 Sep 2006 23:22)
Nice quote Lynn. Who and whom is grammar though, a set of simple rules. Defining them is easier than defining most words.
>>By Flagg (Tuesday, 12 Sep 2006 23:25)
my point was - who cares who uses who or whom to indicate who or whom; and to who who or whom applies to?
I'm sure I'm breaking some rule there but hey, I'm Dutch - if I'm not allowed, no one is ;-)
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 13 Sep 2006 00:04)
Biam let me get back to you on your earlier post now I've a few moments
"PE from your description of your involvement with the Army, you as a MOD sponsored bod doing research, would have undoubtedly had officer status, so i would presume, and without you saying exactly what you did I can only go by my presumptions, that you associated with officers went on the piss with officers and observed what the men did or did not do alongside said officers, the majority of them f*ckers have their heads in the clouds and have no grip on what the men below them feel or think. "
Well rather presumptious there Biam, I never said Army (it was RAF I worked for, not to say I never had any contact with Army types but it was pretty minimal). You are right that I did have officer status altho I can't for the life of me remember what rank it was chiefly because I didn't care. Look at it this way though, if I felt the officers were gullible for joining up and they had better conditions of service than ranks, I'm hardly likely to think ranks were any less gullible on the whole. Your mileage may differ and that's fine.
"Bet you never had a room inspection or made a bed pack, stagged on on the gate, or did pan-bash in the cookhouse. bet you never went on adventure training in Belize or watched a firepower demo, or did a thousand of other things soldiers actually do"
Not that it really matters but I did see a firepower demo (at Warminster I think). As for the rest nope. But what point is that making? If I wanted to fold my own bed to rigorous standards I could do so surely? If I wanted to gurad a gate there's lovely one a few feet from my door, I could I'm sure also do menial tasks in my own kitchen to my hearts content or book an adventure holiday white water rafting or whatever if I wanted.
I mean by your line of thinking I should try a prison term to decide if a criminals life were the one for me! I don't need to experience being stabbed to know I'd rather not be either thanks!
"... you were an outside observer and no amount of observing gives a true insight into what a soldier's life is really like... "
True in some ways I guess but not very interesting, again you're not going to convince me I need to try being a rent-boy before saying quite confidently I know enough about it not to want to try it. Or isn't that an uncomfortably near parallel for the average Evangelical Christian's lines about needing to allow God into your heart to experience Jesus love for me before truly being able to believe?
You and I both agree we don't want to do certain drugs.
Here's a new drug... it's called "Active Service in the Falklands". About 1 % of users die whilst under the influence probably a great number more get injured or disfigured during the trip. Users are around 12 times more likely to commit suicide than the population as a whole even many years after use, and presumably users are also maybe some similar factor more likely to suffer various other mental health problems. There is however a really good bonding experience to had with other users.
I'm sure there are some other factors in it's favour, and yes I am being sarky, but sorry that's really all I personally need to know to say "No thanks, I'd rather not try that ."
>>By planet ear (Wednesday, 13 Sep 2006 05:18)
So PE you worked with Crab Air and that makes you an expert on all things military...mmmm should have known.
and i wasnt interested if you wanted to try stagging on or try pan bash and i certainly wasnt interested if you want to try being a criminal or a rent-boy, I wanted to know if you actually experienced any of these things before deciding that two years associating with crab officers army officers or any officers makes you the font of all knowledge into military lifestyle.
obviously it does so I bow down to a superior being, jeez no wonder most military fellahs think civvies are tossers, spend a few years at uni and you know all about all, just suprises me you didnt stay on and become a lecturer/proffessor till the end of your days, spend your entire life in a schooling environment and know all there is about real life.
As for the falklands it happened in 1982 so its hardly new is it and why the intense interest in the falklands if i may ask, why not Korea, Malaya or the countless other conflicts we have had over the years
Flagg why should i try and sound intelligent ?do you think I am trying to impress someone on this board? I know my own intelligence level and believe me it isn't affected by saying whom or who in the wrong context. If it winds up people who having nothing more interesting to do than pick up on peoples grammer well, you need to get out a bit more mate.
>>By BushisaManiac (Wednesday, 13 Sep 2006 08:31)
Biam I never said I was an authority on all things military, I'll defend positions I take but not those you choose for me thanks.
Stagging on and pan bash? Is it some kind of S&M thing the ranks enjoy?
Ok so now we know that in your terribly intelligent, reasonable, and completely unbiased world-view almost all officers are "oxygen-thieves" unless they come from the ranks, that the ranks are right to consider civvies (especially graduates) as tossers, and that only the ranks have any reason to consider their experiences as "real".
The falklands just happened to appear when I was Googling for objective facts (forgive me I've just found that those useful yardsticks in seeing whether an idea I had was likely to be valid or easily dismissed... sorry, I know that kind of thing upsets you), probably because the story about more vets topping themselves exceeding the number of fatalities in action is attention grabbing for journalists and posters who don't relate easily to statistics.
>>By Hedonist (Wednesday, 13 Sep 2006 10:19)
Well Lynn, no one cares, and in my heart I know it really doesn't matter. But I have personal feelings about grammar. English is the only subject in school that I've always been good at, and I never felt much pride about mastering grammar, simply because it was so bloody easy, which is why I hate it so much when people we're supposed to respect (for example most of my teachers) fail to grasp it. Especially maths teachers, the bastards. They understand what the hell tangent, sine and cosine are but they can't tell the difference between its and it's.
>>By Flagg (Wednesday, 13 Sep 2006 13:50)
BiaM my last post (hopefully) explained why it annoys me.
Some people would look at this board and say we all need to get out more, but we're all here debating things that are important to us.
>>By Flagg (Wednesday, 13 Sep 2006 14:01)
Hedonist = Ear
>>By planet ear (Wednesday, 13 Sep 2006 15:15)
I guess we all have our personal pet hates Flagg.
I get mildly irked whenever someone says "refute" when they should use "deny", it's a particular favourite amongst Trade Union leaders...
My favourite abuse of the humble comma was on a shop sign in Birmingham city centre which proudly announced that they sold "Women, and children's clothing". I couldn't resist going in and asking for "Two Chinese lesbians please"....... :)
>>By planet ear (Wednesday, 13 Sep 2006 16:56)
"Some people would look at this board and say we all need to get out more"
Dead right on that score :-)
Hedonist/PE, good ,analytical, view, there, how many, years of 'uni' did, it take for you, to come up, with that, and you, are right i'm upset, rolling on the, floor in tears, of despair...ooh wheres me hanky....
oops sorry Flagg ooh where's my handkerchief :-)
>>By BushisaManiac (Thursday, 14 Sep 2006 06:02)
Did they change your medication BiaM?
>>By planet ear (Thursday, 14 Sep 2006 11:34)
Oh PE you so funny, does it take a uni degree to be such a wit?
>>By BushisaManiac (Friday, 15 Sep 2006 19:23)
Hmmmmmm....
I thought this board was meant to discuss view points, certain situations/politics/life in general...............
Dearie me
I leave for University & this board
goes downhill.
Why all the insults?
I mean really - everyone keeps on saying that everyone else should respect THEIR opinions - but no one really seems to be taking this one on board themselves......
Just me who noticed this???
Here's a new topic to tear to shreds.
The Business of Education.
Is it right that students on average leave university with £13 000 of debts to pay off???
This is the price of trying to learn more about a subject which interests you, which could lead you to get a job you enjoy - whether it is paid a lot or not. I hopefully will become an Electronic Engineer - yet for the next 5 years, I'll be broke. Meanwhile the Ya's (derrogatry term for the posh kids) can waltz in take Media Studies, & not worry about fitting a job in between studies etc.........
Is this fair?
>>By Tchock (Tuesday, 19 Sep 2006 14:26)
Meanwhile the Ya's (derrogatry term for the posh kids) can waltz in take Media Studies, & not worry about fitting a job in between studies etc.........
Is this fair?
Tchocky
do you mean 'upper class' kids or kids whose parents have a lot of money?
>>By BushisaManiac (Tuesday, 19 Sep 2006 19:38)
As for the question is it fair to leave uni with £13,000 of debts depends what the debts are for I suppose, not knowing much about the economics of going to uni what does that money go on?
>>By BushisaManiac (Tuesday, 19 Sep 2006 19:41)
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